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got to find a way to connect with these voters, even if they're just their default pick. >> jean mmings, john hallaman, thank you. that's "hardball" for now. for more politics ahead with cenk uygur. as they stick with their tea party base, the numbers are not good. and a new poll has found that 47% of people have an unfavorable view of the tea party movement. that's up from four points from december and 21 points from last january. and that is a disaster for the tea party. you know what's happening? people are actually looking at the tea party and going, oh, that's what they stand for. okay, i got no interest in that. but nonetheless, the republican
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party has said, i'm with those guys. those guys rock. and they are totally affecting the so-called budget negotiations we're having right now. we're having the wrong conversation in the first place, okay? here's how the conversation went. we're going to give giant tax cuts, over $800 billion in tax cuts, and then we're going to have a conversation how we're going to cut spending. that's a republican conversation. we shouldn't be having that conversation in the first place. but of course, as always, the democrats agreed to it. now the only question that remains is, how much are we going to agree with the republicans? so in that regard, let's look at how, again, the so-called negotiations have gone so far. oh, we've got a new graphic. fun for everybody. in the beginning, barack obama gives away basically $40 billion from his 2011 budget proposal. you see, the car moved a little bit, or whatever that thing is. it moved.
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and then we had a continuing resolution that said hey, you know what? we're going to cut 4 more billion. and we had another resolution for another three weeks that said we're going to cut $6 billion. still, the roadblock has not moved at all and we found out the republicans have offered -- i'm sorry, the democrats -- the republicans offer nothing -- the democrats offered another $20 billion. and where have the republicans gone all this time? nowhere. and you know what happens today? now there's talk of the democrats offering another $6 billion in cuts. will you stop already! but it doesn't look like they're ever going to stop. everybody sees this as a loss for the republicans somehow. i don't understand washington
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conventionalism. they're stating pat exactly where they were. do you know when all this started, forget the original $40 billion, the republicans said they wanted $32 billion in concessions. they're already there, and it may jump out to $36 billion. they're massively winning. but finally the democrats have gotten a little tougher and they looked at that poll and they're like, whoa, the tea party sun popular. here's what harry reid had to say about the tea party. >> the people who care about the tea party are a very small number who care about them positively. >> and he laid the smackdown. that's as tough as reid gets. the country doesn't care about the tea party. get them, harry. now "the washington post" is reporting that republican leaders are trying to blue dog democrats. is this the beginning of a tiny
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bit of compromi go down to $36 billion in cuts. are they not merciful? so far there's been no commitment on that from the gop. though eric cantor said for some reason the house is going to hold another vote on the budget bill they already passed. here's how he explained it. >> this week again, we will act. on friday we will bring to the floor the government prevention -- excuse me, the prevention of government shutdown act. and that will say to the american people the senate's got to act prior to the expiration of the cr. if it does not act, hr-1 becomes the law of the land. >> that is wildly and comically wrong. a bill does not become the law of the land if the house passes it twice.
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that was weirdly wrong. was that a slip of the tongue or does cantor have no idea how our system of government works? as he even watched saturday morning cartoons? that even tells you how a bill becomes a law. that's not how the system works. unfortunately, that is the republican vision for america. if the gop insists hard enough, their proposals should just become the law. joining me now to talk about all this is congressman jim mcderment of washington. congressman, i'm going to keep it real from you right from the get-go. whose fault is it that we are seeing a tiny little compromise on how much we cut spending from republicans as a victory, instead of the big loss which i think it is? >> i think the president and the democrats never should have agreed to extending the bush tax
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cuts for my extended period of time at all. we made the deficit worse at that point. what we're doing now with the tea party, these are a group of people elected not to govern, not to understand government. not to figure out how it works. but simply to come in here and tear it apart. what you're going to see when we have a government shutdown here in a week or so that, like children, they're going to find out what they've been told that government has a role and a responsibility, they're going to find out that the american people are really going to be angry when they can't get into their national parks, they can't get into their museums, they can't get their passports, they can't get all the myriad of services that they get from government. the tea party would have you believe that public servants do no good no place no time and we could do without all of them.
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>> let me ask you, you seem like you're sure there's going to be a shutdown. there's talk about how boehner is reaching out to the blue dog democrats and mike strike a deal with them. do you think we're definitely headed towards a shutdown? >> well, mr. boehner has a terrible problem. he's got 85 people in his caucus who simply just don't understand what this is about. they are neophites, all of them, they're just like little kids who think they know how things work and they don't. so boehner's now got to lead them by the side of the road and reach over to the democrats, and ultimately when he puts together -- he'll say i've got a bipartisan proposal. but it won't go through the senate. so then they're going to try and blame it on the senate. the senate democrats killed the bipartisan agreement from the house. i think we are headed for a terrible mess here in the next few days. >> look, if the democrats lose that public relations battle,
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i'm going to lose my mind. right now you've got cantor, you saw him in that clip and you've got all these guys saying it's the democrats' fault, they're going to force the shutdown. me. how do you fight back against me? >> well, mr. cantor has been running the republican follies in the house now for 13 weeks. you know, we read the constitution and we passed all kinds of silly bills that had no impact. we haven't passed a single bill related to a job. then he comes out here and says if the house tosses this bill, it will become law. we have to explain to him how a bill has to pass both houses of congress before it can be presented to the president. he doesn't even understand the basic mechanisms of government. it really is a classic farce going on in the republican caucus. >> congressman mcdermott, you're saying that the tea party guys
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are kids, et cetera. but like i said, initially the republicans just wanted $3 2 billion in cuts, the tea party forced them to $61 billion and the democrats went along and now it looks like they're going to get more than $32 billion in cuts. so didn't the democrats enable it by constantly compromising and not drawing the line? >> you know, i've dealt with children my whole life, i'm a child psychiatrist. there comes a point you tell a child don't do that, it's going to hurt you, don't do that, it's going to hurt you. ultimately they get hurt and then they cry and say, you know. that's what you're going to hear around here when the republican tea party people actually get what they're wishing for. because you cannot run government on two weeks at a time. nobody in business runs two weeks at a time. nothing in the world works two weeks at a time. and they are simply strangling
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the economy and destroying the job opportunities for their own people and the people back home know it. you're going to start to see the reaction. you're seeing it in the polls you've already shown. i think it's only a matter of time before the people get on to them. >> congressman, thank you for your time this evening. >> you're welcome. >> now let me bring in political analyst richard wolf. richard, let me ask you this first. you cover the white house extensively. what is the white house plan? are they planning to give more and more and more concessions on the hope the republicans will move at some point? or do they have a bottom line? is there a line in the sand anywhere? >> what they want to do is come out with something in the middle and show they're reasonable. what they want to do more than that, remember, we're halfway through this current year and there was various compromises along the way in terms of cut. what they really want to do beyond the numbers is explore the different ways the republicans are fracturing here.
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you're seeing them already moving towards negotiating directly with the democrats, with the white house, some kind of intermediary here, boehner's staff is talking to reid's staff and this whole tea party dynamic, combined with the presidential dynamic, is a new playing field for this white house. it's such a different prospect from what they had for the last two years. that's where you saw real change on the republican side and it was very effective. it's not just the same kind of politics anymore and i think the white house is exploring this. the results, of course, do mean cuts and they're going to be painful cuts. but the politics does look different and that provides different opportunities for the white house, too. >> richard, walk me through that, because right now it looks like they gave the republicans the tax cuts that they want, and now they're giving a giant portion of the spending cuts they want, it's still not enough. so where does the wind come in? talk to me about the politics.
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people talk about the republicans are fracturing, and? >> and the big momentum they had in the last election came from this grassroots support, which is about to be massively disappointed. you can say they've got everything they want, but that's not how they view it because they're not going to come up with the $100 billion in cuts they wanted and you're going to have to go through all of this all over again when it comes to the debt ceiling and next year's budget which the president unveiled earlier this year. this is a rolling pain for the republican leadership. and that's just the internal dynamic for republicans. there are serious budget discussions, deficit discussions that both parties want to have. for the president, looking for re-election, yes, he's had to concede stuff, but he was elected to bring red and blue america together. the more he's drifted away from that, the worse it's gotten with independents. voters especially, independents,
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really liked it. >> richard, i want to show you two polls here and get your thoughts. new polls out on president obama and now his disapproval rating is up to 48% and his approval is only 42%. that's disastrous. and then when you ask, does he deserve another term? 50% say no, he does not. and only 41% say he does, also disastrous. here's my theory, richard. it's that president obama wins a lot of short-term battles by appearing to be reasonable and compromising, et cetera. so people go, i get it, i get it, i like him. but in the long-term, he keeps agreeing with the republicans, agreeing, agreeing, agreeing. and in the long-term, you go why do i approve of this guy? i guess i don't. >> well, you picked up one poll today and i canouthe only time f
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it is when he got all the stuff done in the lame duck session last year. so it may have been a temporary win for him, but pulling back those independent voters, that has been the big dynamic in the last two years against him. that's why democrats are struggling and the bigger issue is the underlying problem in the economy. you can make any number of different compromises in washington and look reasonable. but people don't think it's working unless they see the economy and jobs come roaring back. >> that's definitely true. but the problem is, if you agree to spending cuts, you're probably going to have job losses, not job gains. so that doesn't seem politically smart either. i know i'm tough on the president. hey, he's president, right? all right, richard, thank you for joining us tonight. president obama gave himself a big pat on the back during his energy speech today, saying his administration has approved seven deep water drilling
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the president unveiled his energy plan. i've got reservations about it. but the republican plan, comical. i'm going to debunk their nonsense ideas when we return.
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a big and broad plan today from president obama on energy. including his goal of breaking
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america's dependence on foreign oil. which honestly i always find to be funny, but we'll get back to that in a second. president obama unveiled this proposal at georgetown university. they include tapping natural gas reserves. questionable. encouraging energy efficient automobiles. lovely. investing in high speed rail and mass transit. fine. investing in clean and renewable energies research. that sounds good. ensuring safety of nuclear power in new generation of plants. that in reality means we keep going forward on nuclear energy, hence that's questionable. if you ask me. encouraging offshore oil exploration and production is totally questionable. it's classic obama. a little progressive and a little conservative. did i please everybody? did i please everybody? the obama administration is already encouraging offshore oil production as they handed out seven new deep water drilling permits recently. that's despite the fact that earlier in this month, the interior secretary ken salazar
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told a group of reporters that containment systems for gushing wells still needed work. here's what he said, "these containment systems are a work in progress. both systems currently have limitations on water depts and barrel-per-day containment capability." so we're barreling straight ahead, even though containment systems are "a work in progress." that sounds disastrous. in other words, if something goes wrong, oopse, we were in the middle of a work in progress. but to republicans, of course that's still not good enough. they're calling for more drilling, baby. >> when you shut down drilling, higher prices and fewer jobs are sure to follow. >> fewer jobs for republicans who get paid by those oil companies. to that end, republicans are pushing measures in the house and senate that would speed up the permits and open up new areas for drilling. they want to do that, even
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though oil companies are exploiting a giant loophole that allows them to avoid $50 billion in taxes. even though extra drilling would do almost nothing to decrease oil prices in this country, do you understand this? oil drilled in the u.s. goes to the whole world market. we don't get to keep it. bp doesn't go congratulations, bob and suzy, here's your oil. they sell it and make money off of it. they can sell it to the chinese or anyone they like. it's also ugly on the state level, too. republican governor tom corbit in pennsylvania has a brilliant idea. even though they've got a lot of natural gas in pennsylvania, he said let's not tax that natural gas drilling, even though 2/3 of the voters in the state support
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it. you know how much they would get for it? it's estimated that the tax could bring in $400 million in revenue by 2015. remember, pennsylvania has a $4 billion budget gap. they could use that money. the philadelphia enquirer reports that he got $800,000 in campaign donations from the drilling industry. of course he did! gee, i wonder why he's giving away the natural gas. he's like, you know what? if we don't give them the tax incentives, they'll go somewhere else. where are they going to go? the gas is underneath pennsylvania. how could they get it from somewhere else. that's painfully stupid. all of this drilling isn't for your ben it, but for the benefit of the energy companies and the politicians they buy. that's why this idea of energy independence is a joke. we don't keep the oil, the oil companies do.
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with me is tyson slocum who is going to fill me in a little bit more on this. first, obama's plan. what do you think his real motivation there is? >> i think his real motivation is he wants to get the upper hand in the debate about energy policy and take his case directly to the american people. right now you've got the crisis in libya, which is spooking speculators to drive up the price of oil, even though we've got 2 billion barrels in storage here in the united states. you have the crisis with the japanese nuclear reactors that's spooking investors here at home. and all of this is going on while congress debates whether or not the environmental protection agency should be regulating power plants and industrial facilities under the clean air act and whether or not they should be regulating greenhouse gas emissions. so obama is trying to preview his campaign theme going into the presidential re-election year, saying look, i'm trying to
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drill for more oil and trying to get more efficient cars and trying to build new nuclear power plants. so that's his message that he's putting forward. i don't really see, though, that this speech that he made today is going to translate effectively into legislative action. because the two parties just continue to fight. as you just previewed, are very far apart on the solutions to america's energy situation. >> is he going to throw the epa party under the bus? >> i think obama will definitely throw the epa under the bus if he gets proactive legislative agenda to replace it. >> like what? >> we saw what he did when he signed off on the climate bill back in 2009 that established a cap and trade system, that a lot of environmentalists and some folks in industry supported and that eviscerated epa ahoty
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toegatgrnhse gas. mandating that oil comni vep isiin lse at th'ralad sti n. ist reasonable that the expectation that the republicans would go towards him? are they going to say oh, cap and trade, let's discuss it. no way, right? >> i don't see that there's a point of agreement or intersection between the two parties. when the republicans dust off their tired play book of "drill, baby drill" when even the bush administration concluded in 2007 that opening up all areas that are currently off-limits offshore in the united states to new drilling would have an insignificant impact on prices and imports, that shows that drilling is not going to be the answer. we have to focus on alternatives. >> tyson, that's the thing that drives me crazy. for decades, i've been hearing oh, we've got to get independent of foreign oil. am i getting this wrong?
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when bp or exxonmobil drills for oil, they don't give it to you, do they? they keep the oil and sell it all over the world, right? >> most of the time when they're drilling domestically here, it makes more business sense to sell it into a massive consumption market like the united states. you've got pipelines and infrastructure. legally, they can sell it anywhere. but when the number one consumption market, when one out of every four barrels of oil is consumed here in the united states, it makes business sense -- >> but they're selling it to us. how are we getting the oil? >> that's a good point. it's a globally priced market, and the united states is the third largest oil producer in the world. very few americans know that. it's just that we consume so much. but the oil companies make out like bandits. when it cost them about $18 in costs to pull a barrel of oil out of the ground and they're selling it into the u.s. market
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for more than $100, you do the math that. is great profit numbers for the big oil companies. and more than 80% of their campaign contributions are going to republicans. >> look, i don't mind people making a huge profit. they're taking our oil and saying let me drill for more oil and i'm going to charge you an $82 profit per barrel. it's insanity, right? >> and there's thousands of leases in the gulf of mexico where oil companies aren't even paying a dime in loyalties to the american taxpayer. >> i get frustrated by politics. tyson slocum, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. now we have an update about a fox news executive who admitted to lying on air about barack obama and socialism.
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yesterday, we told you that conservatives are so desperate to demonize president obama's intervention in libya that they've latched on the idea that libyan rebels are in cahoots with al qaeda. that's scary, oh, my god, al qaeda. even though the top nato commander said, intelligence i'm receiving makes me feel that the leadership i'm seeing are responsible men and women who are struggling against colonel gadhafi. apparently those scare tactics about al qaeda are nonsense. of course that's not going to stop glenn beck. so he's added some twists to the
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theory that president obama is helping the terrorists. >> we're protecting the killers and the terrorists. we have gone from a nation who was doing the wrong thing by siding with mubarek, to arming al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood, which empowers iran and also in the end destroys israel. >> that was fantastic. there was so many ridiculous comments in two sentences. that's why he's the record holder in crazy. first, by fighting against gadhafi we're now apparently helping terrorists and killers. but guess what we would have been doing if we let gadhafi kill the opposition? you guessed it, helping terrorists and killers. so in glenn beck's world, all roads lead to president obama helping terrorists.
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somehow the sunni muslim brotherhood in egypt has jumped to the libyan opposition. okay, maybe, they're neighbors. but then they jumped to iran and joined this evil, crazy plan against israel while fighting against gadhafi. i don't get it. where is a.c.o.r.n. in all this? how did they start this? finally, how did we wind up destroying israel by helping pro democracy rebels in libya? where does that come from? and how is van jones responsible? i want to know. all right, now the ohio house has just passed a collective bargaining bill that's even worse than the one in wisconsin. congratulations. don't worry, progressives are fighting back. we'll show you why their plan might work. and congressman rick santorum blames abortion for the demise
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wisconsin republicans continue to blatantly violate the legal orders to stop implementation of the anti-union bill they jammed through the legislature. they ignored a judge's order halting implementation, so yesterday the same judge blocked it again, saying "apparently that language was either misunderstood or ignored. but what i said was the further implementation of act 10 was enjoined. that is now what i want to make crystal clear." i like it, she's like tom cruise. are we clear? crystal! you get the point. all right. immediately after the ruling, the state assistant attorney general said the legislation was "absolutely still in effect." the republican translation, we don't need no stinking courts. we're republicans! and they have also given up on
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the charade of saying that the bill was to close the budget gap. the majority leader removed any doubt about why they rammed through the bill. look, he wrote "unions have ruined california and illinois, but they're not going to ruin wisconsin because republicans faced down big labor bully tactics and a democratic walkout in the state senate to break the power of unions." but that didn't resonate with the general republic. if the wisconsin election was reheld now, governor walker would lose by seven points. governor kasich in ohio would lose by 15 points. so voters are realizing they got sold a bill of goods. look, these guys don't care about balancing the budget or creating jobs. and now you know that.
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they just want to do hit jobs on their political opponents, and enrich themselves and their donors. speaking of which, the biggest loser is governor rick scott of florida. if his election was held today, he would lose by 19 points. look, obviously we can't just do do-overs like we did back in kick ball, dodge ball. but there are other perfectly legitimate remedies. in wisconsin, and the ohio house approved a union busting bill more severe than the one in wisconsin. we didn't see massive rallies in columbus today like in wisconsin. they chose a different path. instead, opponents are planning a petition drive to get a referendum to repeal the entire bill this november. i would love to see the republicans talk about the will of the people then.
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joining me now is chris redfern, chairman of the ohio democratic party. so tell me about the referendum, how does that work? >> just another great day in the midwest. here in ohio, we have the chance to repeal this tough piece of legislation that harms the middle class by collecting about 250,000 signatures spread across 44 of the 88 counties. we have to do that in 90 days. then that will be placed on the ballot this november. it will be a chance of the people of the state to stand up collectively and join together on behalf of those who fight fires and police our streets, teach our children, protect our water and sewer and stand up for the middle class. this bill will be repealed and we can hold those who supported this anti-working legislation accountable. >> i know kasich's numbers are
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disastrous, but any reason to believe you're going to win on the referendum? >> there's been polling that indicates when voters here in ohio are asked whether or not police and firefighters should able to gather together and ask for contracts before the city council, 55% of ohioans agree that ohioans should have that right to do so. i guess the legislature controlled by republicans and this governor don't understand it. but we're going to give them a chance to understand this november. but that referendum process is a bit of a burden. we do have to collect 250,000 signatures across 44 counties. your viewers can go to the website to learn more about this effort and get involved, as well. >> kasich, in some crazy way, end up helping you guys? now we see his real agenda, does that give the democrats ammunition to say, see, we told you so? we told you they didn't mean it?
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>> well, no. to his credit, john kasich dn't er tell anyone publicly heasoing to aack the middlelass. he talkedbout cating jobs d how we were going to focus on that. he didn't say he was going to go after police and firefighters. of course, john kasich is a typical politician. he'll attend all the ceremonies and say the right things on behalf of law enforcement or corrections officers and firefighters. but after he's sworn in, the day his hand leaves the bible, he attacks the middle class by suggesting to these police and firefighters that they're not allowed to collectively bargain before their employer. if he had said those things back in october or september, he wouldn't have been elected. the same thing is repeated in florida and wisconsin. the voters in the midwest and in florida got a bill of goods and we have to respond. we will, we will respond in kind and we'll be successful this november. >> chris, one last random thing for you. he also wants to drill in state parks. >> yeah, drill in state parks.
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he wants to drill for oil and natural gas in state parks, nature preserves, areas that have been set aside by republican and democratic governors in the past. he's even talked about drilling under lake erie. it's the kind of approach that is so reckless that words can't describe the feelings that we have here in ohio. i think, though, by slowing down this particular piece of legislation, the governor will hear the resounding voice of ohioans collectively this november and hopefully that will derail his other ideas. >> chris, thank you very much. >> thank you.n to criminalize abortion if it's done because of the raise or gender of the baby. how would you not know the -- how would that -- i can't understand it. with prostate cancer... i needed a coach. our doctor was great, but with so many tough decisions i felt lost. unitedhealthcare offered us a specially trained rn
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acrass the country, the right wing war on abortion is racing ahead full steam. the latest nonsense comes from former senator and current presidential want to be rick santorum. he wants to blame problems with the nation's social security system on what he calls our abortion culture. >> the social security system is a flawed design, period. but having said that, the design would work a lot better if we had stable demographic trends. we don't have enough workers to support the retires. a third of all the young people in america are not in america today because of abortion. >> that is a unique argument. never mind that social security is funded through 2037 and that if all those babies were born, they would also need social security at some point. but logic has never been his strong suit. but what republicans are doing
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about abortion is scarier. in ohio, they voted to support a bill outlawing abortions at the first detectible heart beat, often around six weeks into the pregnancy. if that sounds early, it is. supporters call it the toughest abortion law in the country and say they welcome a legal challenge hoping it goes to the supreme court and gives them a chance to overturn roe versus wade. in arizona, jan brewer signed into a law banning any abortion sought because of the race or sex of the fetus. supporters say they're fighting discrimination. we'll talk more about that in a send an nhiatck oboio haco tthwiy ty a group is back with more, this seem on the south side of chicago. the new bill boards depict president obama with the words, every 21 minutes our next possible leader is say borted.
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the anti-abortion group says the images are aimed at the disproportionate number of abortions among african-americans. by the way, did you know that they used the image of a young black girl from a stockghter's bill board without permission? luckily they had to take that down. with me now is toni, co-founder and president and ceo of black women for reproductive justice. let me start by asking this. they say that there is a dispro-nat number of abortions with african-american women is. that true? >> i think the bigger fact is that black women have more rates of unplanned pregnancy. we shouldn't be focusing on the issue of abortion in terms of
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what all those bill boards are saying. black women have higher rates of unplanned pregnancy and we need to talk about why. black women and girls have the least access to family planning methods, ways to control their reproductive autonomy, as well as the least access to comprehensive reproductive and sexual health education. what we're really talking about, what the issue should be is how can we help not just black women but all women have the tools that they need to control their fertility. we need to be talking about how do we get comprehensive and sexual health education in the public schools and we need to be talking about access to family planning services, not things like cutting title 10 benefits. >> republicans say they want to cut planned parenthood because the republicans are against abortion. but if they cut planned parthood, doesn't that create more unplanned preg than sis
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because they can't help local women? >> absolutely. when you think about the bill boards here in chicago, you have to ask the question, what are you really talking about? what is the motive behind the bill boards? these don't talk about creating healthier lives for black women, their families and the communities. these are racially motivated. they are actually saying that black women are -- they are charging black women for killing future potential black leaders and that's just not only horrible but despicable. you're challenging black women's reproductive integrity and the racial integrity. and to put those bill boards in a community on the south side of chicago that is economicicly depressed and people have high rates of unemployment, living in food deserts --
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>> let me -- >> it just doesn't compute. >> i hear you. the idea that they're trying to help you is comical. but on the other hand, they're saying look, african-american women are getting higher rates of abortion for whatever reason, and i agree with your reasoning behind it. but hence we're going to try to reach the african-american community. isn't that fair? >> that's not the way to reach the african-american community. reaching out to the african-american community by putting up a bill board that basically vilifies black women and also putting an image of president obama, who is this is his hometown. and the african-american community embraces president obama. we voted for him in massive numbers. so to slap a bill board up on the side of a building across from a vacant lot that is filled with garbage, trash, broken bottles, syringe needles, crack viles, tell me how they care
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about black victim. >> all right. toni, very clear. >> they don't. >> thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. now, next, an update for you about the fox news executive who admitted to lying on tv about obama and socialism. well, that's next. make a wish! oh. ooh. happy birthday todd. it's for a cough... from allergies... [ male announcer ] halls relieves coughs and sore throats
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an audiotape obtained by media matters. in it, bill sammon admitted that he lied to fox news viewers about barack obama during the 2008 campaign. sammon described obama as a socialist, even though he believed that idea to be far-fetched. even though sammon thought the claim was ridiculous, he tried to get all the fox shows to join in on the socialism theme any way by sending out an e-mail reading, fyi, obama's references
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to socialism and marxism from his autobiography. remember, say it on air. did it work? well, let's see what affect it had on their reporting. let's take a look at what the people on fox said on air between the day that sammon sent that letter and the day of the election. >> many americans do care very much about the question of whether barack obama has socialist-like policies. >> for the record, those are socialistic terms. >> is america about to elect a man who's been dishonest to them about his radical associates, a man who is a socialist? >> let me ask you a couple questions about this redistribution of wealth, is it socialism? >> i think obama is a communist and my husband said, don't use that word, say radical or
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marxist. >> between the e-mail and the november 4th election, fox employees linked obama to socialism, marxism or communism at least 35 times on air. that is a brief window to say it that many times. since the story has gotten out, sammon says he doesn't regret raising it on air because it was a main point of discussion in all media. he says by 2009 he was astonished by how the needle had moved. yeah, that's fox propaganda hard at work for you. let's summarize. he didn't believe it when he said it, but he got everybody on fox to talk about it so it seemed that the media was constantly bringing it up, which he then justifies to say people say it all the time. so he must be right. so that he launched a pre-empttive attack on the truth and now declaring mission accomplished. fox has

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